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Beltran wanted $60 M/4yrs when we were trying to negotiate with him.

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Posted by juan on 2011-12-22 21:39:53

In Reply to: Beltran 2 years 25 mill Cards
posted by MoonMan on 2011-12-22 17:15:27

It's his loss and our loss, but I do not see a way out of it. Beltran is a greedy a-hole, so this is what he gets. Less money than Cuddyer, a team without Pujols, and St. Louis' non-existent night life. It shows that the market for Beltran was not there. We could have hard balled the Mets last season and not give up Wheeler. Maybe they would have settled for Surkamp.

Our loss was not going for someone like Josh Willingham when we still need another bat. It's due to being cheap and stupid. Next year, when we realize we still need a bat, then we have to pay mucho dollars for some old vet. It's better to have more than less and spend a few more dollars now. You can always get your money back next season if there are extra players.

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Beltran 2 years 25 mill Cards - MoonMan 2011-12-22 17:15:27 (118 views)
- Henry Schulman wrote a blog post on same debate addressed in this thread. - starburst 2011-12-23 16:18:30 (37 views)
- Does that mean Bochy gets #15 back? Won the WS w/ it and team was doing good till he gave it to Beltran - Duck the Fodgers 2011-12-23 15:31:50 (11 views)
- yea, but he's not a lefty reliever! - shikantaza 2011-12-23 07:49:58 (12 views)
- Beltran wanted $60 M/4yrs when we were trying to negotiate with him. - juan 2011-12-22 21:39:53 (145 views)
- I really don't want to pay 25 million for Beltran...but please give us somebody who can hit...I'm underwhelmed by the team so far. - holymoly 2011-12-22 20:59:38 (18 views)
  - And I just hate that we gave up that great young prospect for nothing...seriously, sabean should be b-slapped for that. - holymoly 2011-12-22 21:11:22 (19 views)
    - A prospect who is not going to make a big league roster any time soon and who can be replaced in the draft. - starburst 2011-12-23 10:10:26 (18 views)
      - @Starburst..+1. I was happy with the Beltran trade and I didn't want to resign him. - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-24 09:10:33 (17 views)
        
        That's where I'm at. Sabean went out and got the best hitter available to give the team a shot. But he's not who I want to bet the bank on. - starburst 2011-12-24 10:29:24 (15 views)
    - For what, exactly? - Earl j. Slick 2011-12-23 09:05:59 (29 views)
      - no answer? - Earl j. Slick 2011-12-26 09:30:58 (12 views)
- kinda torn - ike! 2011-12-22 18:02:35 (113 views)
- damn. we couldn't pay that? cmon man :( - Method 2011-12-22 17:25:29 (27 views)
  - Why do people think Beltran takes that same contract with the Giants? - tajackamo 2011-12-23 00:45:36 (18 views)
    - This is a question I've not seen answered. - Earl j. Slick 2011-12-23 09:06:28 (18 views)
      - Why wouldn't he? He was evidently complimentary of the team in conversations with Pagan. - shikantaza 2011-12-23 10:27:37 (17 views)
        
        I'm sure he respects the Giants organization but he made it clear what his issues are - tajackamo 2011-12-23 17:13:13 (24 views)
        
        That's a good answer, the Giants do not get any comp pick, and we spent a high pitching prospect on a rental. - juan 2011-12-23 10:37:31 (15 views)
  - ownership not about baseball...it's about saving money - gwarriors 2011-12-22 18:01:57 (83 views)
    - if it means extending Lincecum and Cain then I could give a damn - ike! 2011-12-22 18:03:29 (24 views)
      - agreed - DJ 2011-12-22 22:24:16 (11 views)
      - @gwarriors. That doesn't fly. The Giants payroll is 5th highest in baseball and that doesn't include the $20Million a year - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-22 20:47:56 (96 views)
        
        Aww, you are bringing facts into it. - Earl j. Slick 2011-12-23 09:09:24 (19 views)
        
        x2 Beltran was asking for a much bigger deal. That wasn't happening so his price dropped. They need to focus on Lincecum and Cain. When Zito and Rowand are off the books they will spend more on free agents, - starburst 2011-12-23 07:54:11 (25 views)
        
        ftr, this is exactly what I was saying would happen when they spent like $10 a year on relievers - shikantaza 2011-12-23 07:56:38 (11 views)
        
        Larry Ellison would have made us choose between Fonts and Kepp? - shikantaza 2011-12-23 07:54:04 (33 views)
        
        The left-handed relievers they signed have more impact on the team than Fonts and Kepp. Ellison would have scoffed at either of them. They aren't exactly elite players. They're guys every team, even big spenders, have on the roster. So they chose. So what? - starburst 2011-12-23 10:14:06 (11 views)
        
        If they had passed on the relievers, I wouldn't have wanted that money to go to Kepp... - shikantaza 2011-12-23 10:25:49 (17 views)
        
        good riddance..he doesn't hustle, wouldn't play left even though nate's much better in right, and is hurt every other day..spend the $$ on our pitchers..we'll be fine - skontch 2011-12-22 21:50:10 (21 views)
        
        our offense has been worst or near worst in the league almost every year except 2010 - shikantaza 2011-12-23 07:55:34 (23 views)
        
        My beef is not with the 130$$ payroll, its spending 10 on Lefty relievers when you need a 3,4,5 hitter - MoonMan 2011-12-23 08:13:22 (25 views)
        
        They need the relievers. If it was $7M you still don't get a hitter. - Earl j. Slick 2011-12-23 09:12:32 (25 views)
        
        They need offense badly... "the team is built around pitching" sounds good - shikantaza 2011-12-23 09:28:28 (23 views)
        
        It won a world series. They aren't going to "buy" a major bat until the mistakes of the previous managing partner are off the books. - starburst 2011-12-23 10:07:21 (17 views)
        
        Beltran was a major bat they could have bought for a very reasonable sum... not much more than they paid Huff actually - shikantaza 2011-12-23 10:22:38 (27 views)
        
        There is no way of knowing that Beltran would take the same deal to play here. And I disagree that it was luck. It was the approach - starburst 2011-12-23 18:08:48 (18 views)
        
        If they could have dumped Sanchez for prospects, that's another 5 mill or so - MoonMan 2011-12-23 09:25:32 (38 views)
        
        how about 600,000 for whiteside...talk about a total waste of money.. - holymoly 2011-12-23 20:56:30 (20 views)
        
        The money isn't guaranteed and the Giants starters want him as the catcher - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-24 08:36:05 (15 views)
        
        Yeah. If he is in the minors, it's $175,000 and insurance in case they need a catcher who - starburst 2011-12-24 10:30:42 (16 views)

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