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Pagan's low baseball IQ, including consistently missing cutoff men and throwing to the wrong base, often agitated Mets officials.

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Posted by starburst on 2011-12-06 21:08:46

In Reply to: From most of the advanced stats info (as unreliable as those can be) he's generally been a plus fielder throughout his career
posted by JoeDaddy on 2011-12-06 20:36:24

Those stats just don't the whole story.

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Bagss...:Giants far down the road with two trade proposals, Sabean said. Good chance something happens tonight. - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 18:47:12 (105 views)
- Thanks for the LOL. Now, back to the trade. Has anyone seen Pagan play center? Baggs said he had a lot of errors. - starburst 2011-12-06 20:16:28 (33 views)
  - From most of the advanced stats info (as unreliable as those can be) he's generally been a plus fielder throughout his career - JoeDaddy 2011-12-06 20:36:24 (48 views)
    - Pagan's low baseball IQ, including consistently missing cutoff men and throwing to the wrong base, often agitated Mets officials. - starburst 2011-12-06 21:08:46 (38 views)
      - Ahhh...but then the question becomes: - JoeDaddy 2011-12-06 23:03:22 (42 views)
        
        If it was hate, then, yeah. But this doesn't sound like it. That's why I'm wondering if anyone here has seen him play enough to comment. - starburst 2011-12-07 09:28:07 (14 views)
        
        LOL. My question is why is Pagan named Crazy Horse? This guy hit his own head after he swung the bat. That is pretty low bball IQ. - juan 2011-12-07 00:45:13 (35 views)
        
        Well, now, he-s not bi-polar. ADHD. There's a big difference. - starburst 2011-12-07 09:26:47 (11 views)
    - I'm leery of basing a conclusion on stats without seeing a guy play. So, I'll just have to live with the uncertainty, lol. - starburst 2011-12-06 21:05:01 (23 views)
  - Pagan seems to be a good pickup. He made a lot of errors in 2010 only, but he did have a DOH moment. - juan 2011-12-06 20:30:09 (51 views)
    - I think he threw to the wong base once, or something. I'm just hoping he's not the Mikel Pietrus of baseball. - starburst 2011-12-06 20:32:47 (15 views)
- Baggs:...Giants trade proposal believed to be Andres Torres and Ramon Ramirez to the Mets for Angel Pagan. Not definite, but promising. - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 18:47:42 (35 views)
  - I would do that - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 18:49:44 (29 views)
    - Pagan is intriguing...he's on the last yr of his rookie deal, too - JoeDaddy 2011-12-06 18:58:34 (68 views)
      - Baggs says the Giants will save 2-3 million with the trade - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 19:04:15 (23 views)
    - I don't hate it- Pagan stats - MoonMan 2011-12-06 18:58:20 (162 views)
      - Others are confirming the Torres-Ramirez swap for Angel Pagan, as I reported earlier. Deal is pending physicals. - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 19:02:01 (26 views)
        
        I guess this means no Carlos Beltran. Good trade though - LGT 2011-12-06 19:31:45 (24 views)
        
        Giants were long shots to get Beltran, but I don't see this trade stopping us. Melky/Pagan/Beltran - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 19:44:10 (22 views)
        
        Melky/Pagan/Nate - ike! 2011-12-06 19:34:39 (36 views)
  - John Shea:..... Giants have two trade possibilities. Not household names, but baseball insiders names, Sabean said. - Calvin and Hobbs 2011-12-06 18:49:30 (56 views)

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